Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Choice and Agency Dallin Oaks


Few concepts have more potential to mislead us than the idea that choice or agency is an ultimate goal. For Latter-day Saints, this potential confusion is partly a product of the fact that moral agency—the right to choose—is a fundamental condition of mortal life. Without this precious gift of God, the purpose of mortal life could not be realized. To secure our agency in mortality we fought a mighty contest the book of Revelation calls a "war in heaven." This premortal contest ended with the devil and his angels being cast out of heaven and being denied the opportunity of having a body in mortal life (see Revelation 12:7–9).
But our war to secure agency was won. The test in this postwar mortal estate is not to secure choice but to use it—to choose good instead of evil so that we can achieve our eternal goals. In mortality, choice is a method, not a goal.

Of course, mortals must still resolve many questions concerning what restrictions or consequences should be placed upon choices. But those questions come under the heading of freedom, not agency. Many do not understand that important fact. For example, when I was serving here at BYU, I heard many arguments on BYU's Honor Code or dress and grooming standards that went like this: "It is wrong for BYU to take away my free agency by forcing me to keep certain rules in order to be admitted or permitted to continue as a student." If that silly reasoning were valid, then the Lord, who gave us our agency, took it away when he gave the Ten Commandments. We are responsible to use our agency in a world of choices. It will not do to pretend that our agency has been taken away when we are not free to exercise it without unwelcome consequences.




http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=669

Friday, November 16, 2012

Hugh B. Brown on our political environment 40 years ago


From The American Presidency and the Mormons- an Ensign article by James B. Allen Oct 1972 

Earlier in the year President Hugh B. Brown gave a commencement address at Brigham Young University. Here he beautifully portrayed the true spirit of political debate when he cautioned the young voters not to engage in defaming personalities:
“You young people are leaving your university at the time in which our nation is engaged in an abrasive and increasingly strident process of electing a president. I wonder if you would permit me, one who has managed to survive a number of these events, to pass on to you a few words of counsel.
“First I would like you to be reassured that the leaders of both major political parties in this land are men of integrity and unquestioned patriotism. Beware of those who feel obliged to prove their own patriotism by calling into question the loyalty of others. Be skeptical of those who attempt to demonstrate their love of country by demeaning its institutions. Know that men of both major political parties who bear the nation’s executive, legislative, and judicial branches are men of unquestioned loyalty and we should stand by and support them, and this refers not only to one party but to all. Strive to develop a maturity of mind and emotion and a depth of spirit which enables you to differ with others on matters of politics without calling into question the integrity of those with whom you differ. Allow within the bounds of your definition of religious orthodoxy variation of political belief. Do not have the temerity to dogmatize on issues where the Lord has seen fit to be silent.” 14

The full text of this Ensign article 1972:
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1972/10/the-american-presidency-and-the-mormons?lang=eng#footnote14-03023_000_016

The full mp3 of  Hugh B. Brown's BYU Commencement Speech in 1972:
http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=111&tid=2

Tuesday, October 2, 2012

All Are Like Unto God- Howard W. Hunter

We have members of the Church in the Muslim world. These are wonderful Saints, good members of the Church. They live in Iran, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and other countries. Sometimes they are offended by members of the Church who give the impression that we favor only the aims of the Jews. The Church has an interest in all of Abraham's descendants, and we should remember that the history of the Arabs goes back to Abraham through his son Ishmael.

Both the Jews and the Arabs are children of our Father. They are both children of promise, and as a church we do not take sides. We have love for and an interest in each. The purpose of the gospel of Jesus Christ is to bring about love, unity, and brotherhood of the highest order. Like Nephi of old, may we be able to say, "I have charity for the Jew. . . . I also have charity for the Gentiles." (2 Nephi 33:8, 9.)

http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=826

Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Beyond Politics- Hugh Nibley

"Plain humility is reverence and respect in the presence of the lowest, not the highest, of God's creatures."

"It is not our intention...to place the law of man on a parallel with the law of heaven, because we do not consider that it is formed in the same wisdom and propriety... it is not sufficient in itself to bestow anything on man in comparison with the law of heaven, even should it promise it."

"Sermons, dissertations and arguments by preachers and writers in the Church concerning the Kingdom of God that IS to BE are NOT to be understood as relating to the PRESENT.  If they... convey the idea that the dominion to come is to be exercised now, the claim is incorrect."

"It is up to us to decide how much power Satan shall have on this earth, but only in respect to ourselves; the fight is all within us."

"There is only one thing in a man's world that can offer any check on the unlimited power of money- and that is government.  That is why money always accuses government of trying to destroy free agency, when the greater enslaver has always been money itself."

Read the entire essay here:  http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=162


Sunday, September 2, 2012

LDS Welfare- Do we SEE the Poor Among Us?


Some observations about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and our Church Welfare System.

This is not meant to be a critique- just an observation.  I am certainly left with more questions than answers.

The Church does an amazing job of providing assistance to its members all over the world.  Our humanitarian missionaries teach self-sufficiency skills such as growing crops, child care, literacy and first aid to less developed countries.  We also help provide long term solutions in these countries such as creating community access to clean water.  When disaster strikes on American turf or otherwise, the Mormon Helping Hands are some of the first responders.  Our Welfare Square in Salt Lake City runs more efficiency and with more internal options for food sourcing (Church owned crops, orchards, cattle ranches) and food production and preservation methods (cheese, bread, canned and dried fruits and vegetables) than probably any other Food Banking system in the world. 

My limited experience working in Food Banking has brought to my awareness the tremendous amount of good that is being done by members of other faiths.  Most of the food pantries, shelters and community kitchens in the Hartford area are operated by churches.  Often times the church provides the facilities (storage, kitchens, eating areas) and church members and non-church members work together to make it happen.  These people are out there, they SEE the needs and shortages in our community.  They work to the point of fatigue to help those who will still need help tomorrow.  They do what they can to provide every day knowing that tomorrow there will still be more need.  They grow frustrated when the fiscally conservative say “let the Churches care for the poor- it isn’t government’s responsibility.”  It seems so harsh.  Walk a day in their shoes and then ask yourself- how could they possibly do more than they are already doing?  How can they do more with their limited resources?  Ironically it’s usually those who have never spent an hour in this kind of service who say “let the Churches do more”.

And so, as many of my LDS friends, family and acquaintances tend to fall in line with the fiscally and socially conservative Republicans- it just causes me to think- If we as members of the LDS Church had more opportunity to see the needs in our community- would it change our hearts?  The Book of Mormon is full of examples of how class divisions lead to ignoring the poor- which eventually leads to pride and destruction.  Is the real issue for those of us who are diligently serving in our callings not that we are ignoring the poor- but more that we really don’t understand that the poor are among us- simply because we don't see them?

I believe that if the LDS had more of an opportunity to SEE the poor among them they would experience a mighty change of heart- and it may even cause them to feel differently about their vote this election.

Faithful members are encouraged to give a generous Fast Offering.  What portion do?  What do they consider to be "generous"?  Or do the majority not understand the difference between a tithe and a fast offering and how the two funds are dispersed?

My observation is that only a small portion of Church members have an opportunity to be “hands- on” in LDS Church Welfare services.  Yes- we are encouraged to volunteer with our local and community services- but what portion do?  I think that many have the mindset that they spend so many hours “volunteering” in their own Church in their calling that they feel they don’t have time for serving outside of the Church.  For the most part our opportunity to get our hands dirty in the temporal part of LDS Church Welfare is limited to these options:

·         Serving as a Bishop/Branch President or Relief Society
·         Serving as a home teacher or visiting teacher
·         Working or volunteering at Welfare Square in SLC or the Bishops Storehouse
·         Responding to local calls when natural disaster strikes
·         Serving a humanitarian mission for the Church (which is limited to Seniors)
·         Serving a proselyting mission for the Church

Bishop or Relief Society President- Certainly an opportunity to know the specific needs of the ward members, both spiritually and temporally.  However, while Bishops are allowed to give temporal assistance to non-members when it is requested, they are not instructed to seek out the poverty stricken non-members of their ward boundaries for this purpose.  Consequently, those individuals in these two callings deal almost exclusively with their own ward members.  Granted-in some demographics, this may be all that these two individuals could physically handle.  However, I also know of wards that have very little to no temporal needs among the members.

Home or Visiting Teacher- When it comes to temporal assistance, they are instructed to advise the RS President or Bishop of any needs and assist as instructed.  In their Church calling as a VT or HT they are going to be limited to members.  Depending on ward demographics this may or may not be an opportunity for temporal assistance.

Welfare Square and Bishop’s Storehouse- Working or volunteering at Welfare Square is clearly limited to those in the Salt Lake area.  Bishop’s Storehouses tend to be regional with limited hours of operation.

Mormon Helping Hands- certainly provides an opportunity to get one’s hands dirty, however the opportunity is generally short term as a response to natural disaster.

Humanitarian Missions- This is where the greatest opportunity lies.  It is my dream to someday have this opportunity.  Unfortunately at this time it is limited to seniors.  Why are young men and women not offered the choice in serving a humanitarian mission instead of a proselyting mission?  My guess is that many would choose humanitarian and perhaps the Church feels that proselyting missions do more to grow the missionary’s own spirituality.  (Worthy of debate.)

Proselyting Missions- I do believe there is a great opportunity here nonetheless.  Today’s missionaries (including young men, young women and seniors) are directed to spend a great portion of their time looking for ways to serve.  There are certainly a majority of places where the missionary could be assigned to an area of great poverty and high needs.  But again, this experience is limited to young adults and seniors.

So where are the opportunities in the Church for the families, the 30-60 year olds who are able bodied and eager to serve?  I just don’t know that they exist INSIDE the Church- one has to look outside.
I commend a ward in our Stake who recently agreed to host a Foodshare Mobile truck for dispensing fresh produce to those in need in their community.  The ward will provide ten volunteers each Thursday morning to help hand out nutritious food to those who need and desire it.  I wish more wards would seek for ways to help take care of the Lord’s children who are in need, for they ARE among us.

Saturday, September 1, 2012

Let not Your Heart Be Troubled

I could have just posted this over in my favorite talks section- but honestly, it is so darn applicable today that I just want to give it its own special little place  here.


Gordon B. Hinckley was a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when this devotional address was given at Brigham Young University on 29 October 1974.


It is good to be here with you this morning, my dear young friends. I ask that the Lord will help me to say something that will help you.

Recently I spent the better part of a week in Washington, D.C., living in a hotel room. Each morning I watched the early news on television and then read the morning paper while eating breakfast. President Ford had just granted a pardon to his predecessor. The amount of venom that spewed from the mouths and pens of the commentators was unbelievable. They were aflame with indignation. In all that week of morning watching and reading I never heard nor read among the commentators and editorialists a single paragraph of positive thought. The speakers were brilliant. They were men of incisive language, scintillating in expression. The columnists were masters of the written word. With studied art they poured out the sour vinegar of invective and anger, judging as if all wisdom belonged to them. At the conclusion of that week, I too made a negative observation. Said I, "Surely this is the age and place of the gifted pickle sucker."

The tragedy is that this spirit is epidemic. Criticism, fault-finding, evil speaking—these are of the spirit of the day. They are in our national life. To hear tell these days, there is nowhere a man of integrity among those holding political office. In many instances this spirit has become the very atmosphere of university campuses. The snide remark, the sarcastic gibe, the cutting down of associates—these, too often, are of the essence of our conversation. In our homes wives weep and children finally give up under the barrage of criticism leveled by husbands and fathers. Criticism is the forerunner of divorce, the cultivator of rebellion, sometimes a catalyst that leads to failure. Even in the Church it sows the seed of inactivity and finally apostasy.

I come this morning with a plea that we stop seeking out the storms and enjoy more fully the sunlight. I am suggesting that we "accentuate the positive." I am asking that we look a little deeper for the good, that we still our voices of insult and sarcasm, that we more generously compliment virtue and effort. I am not asking that all criticism be silenced. Growth comes of correction. Strength comes of repentance. Wise is the man who can acknowledge mistakes pointed out by others and change his course. I am not suggesting that our conversation be all honey and blossoms. Clever expression that is sincere and honest is a skill to be sought and cultivated.

What I am suggesting and asking is that we turn from the negativism that so permeates our society and look for the remarkable good in the land and times in which we live, that we speak of one another's virtues more than we speak of one another's faults, that optimism replace pessimism, that our faith exceed our fears.

When I was a boy our father often said to us:

Cynics do not contribute.
Skeptics do not create.
Doubters do not achieve.

Challenges to Our Political System
I should like to say a few words about America. I know that there are many here who come from other lands. I think I have been in all of the lands from which you come. I appreciate your people, their innate goodness, their art, their industry, their strength. I have marveled at the beauty of the earth, the wonder and magnificence of God's creations, as I have seen them in every part of the world. No land is without its beauty, no people without their virtues, and I hope that you who come from elsewhere will pardon my saying a few words concerning my own native land, America. I know that she has problems. We have heard so much of them for so long. But surely this is a good land, a choice land, a chosen land. To me it is a miracle, a creation of the Almighty. It was born of travail. The Constitution under which we live is the keystone of our nation. It was inspired of God. Of it, the great Gladstone said, "As the British Constitution is the most subtle organism which has proceeded from progressive history, so the American Constitution is the most wonderful work ever struck off at a give time by the brain and purpose of man" ("Kin Beyond the Sea," North American Review, September 1878).

In a few months we shall celebrate the two hundredth anniversary of the founding of the nation. Is it not a miracle that through these two centuries of time our system of government has remained intact, our Constitution has held while storms have beaten about us from within and without?

There is too much fruitless, carping criticism of America. Perhaps the times are dark. There have been dark days in every nation. I should like to repeat the words of Winston Churchill spoken exactly thirty-three years ago today. Bombs were then dropping on London. The German juggernaut had overrun Austria, Czechoslovakia, France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Russia. All of Europe was in the dread grasp of tyranny, and England was to be next. In that dangerous time, when the hearts of many were failing, this great Englishman said:

Do not let us speak of darker days; let us speak rather of sterner days. These are not dark days; these are great days—the greatest days our country has ever lived; and we must all thank God that we have been allowed, each of us according to our stations, to play a part in making these days memorable in the history of our race. [Address at Harrow School, 29 October 1941]

Earlier he had said to his people and to the whole world, following the catastrophe at Dunkirk when the prophets of doom foretold the end of Britain:

We shall not flag or fail. . . . We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. [Speech on Dunkirk, House of Commons, 4 June 1940]

It was such talk as this, and not the critical faultfinding of glib cynics, that preserved the great people of Britain through those dark and deadly days when all the world thought their little island would go under.
It shall be so with America if we will do less speaking of her weaknesses and more of her goodness and strength and capacity. I was stirred in my heart by the words of our late, great President Harold B. Lee, who, speaking to a group such as this, said:

This nation, founded on principles laid down by men whom God raised up, will never fail. . . . I have faith in America. You and I must have faith in America if we understand the teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ. [Deseret News, 27 October 1973]

I doubt not that we shall have days of trial. I am confident that so long as we have more politicians than statesmen, we shall have problems. But I am certain that if we will emphasize the greater good and turn our time and talents from vituperative criticism, from constantly looking for evil, and lift our sights to what may be done to build strength and goodness in our nation, America shall continue to go forward with the blessing of the Almighty and stand as an ensign of strength and peace and generosity to all the world.

Economic Challenges
We hear much talk of economic depression these days. Heaven forbid that we should ever slip again into the kind of monetary quagmire through which we struggled in the 1930s. Those were the days of the long soup lines, of suicides that came of discouragement, of a bleakness of life which few of you can understand. I hope and pray that such hard times will never come again. But I think it not impossible or even improbable if enough people, in the spirit of negativism and defeatism, talk about it and predict it. We are the creatures of our thinking. We can talk ourselves into defeat or we can talk ourselves into victory.

Likewise, it is so in the Church. We even have some who quibble and fret over little things, evidently totally unaware of the majestic destiny of this, the work of God.

When gold was discovered in California in January of 1848, men of the Mormon Battalion were there and participated in the discovery. Completing their contract, they came to the Salt Lake Valley to join their families. Some of them brought with them gold, and in the hard and desperate days that followed, particularly in the bitter winter if 1848–49, many wanted to go to California, where life was easier and gold was to be picked from the riverbeds. In that time of gloom, Brigham Young stood before the people in the old Bowery on Temple Square and said:

Some have asked me about going. I have told them that God has appointed this place for the gathering of his saints, and you will do better right here than you will by going to the gold mines. . . . We have been kicked out of the frying pan into the fire, out of the fire into the middle of the floor, and here we are and here we will stay. God has shown me that this is the spot to locate his people, and here is where they will prosper. . . . We shall build a city and a temple to the most high god in this place. We will extend our settlements to the east and west, to the north and south, and we will build towns and cities by the hundreds, and thousands of the saints will gather in from the nations of the earth. This will become the great highway of the nations. Kings and emperors and the noble and wise of the earth will visit us here, while the wicked and ungodly will envy us our comfortable homes and possessions. [Autobiography of James Brown, pp. 119–23, cited by Preston Nibley, Brigham Young, the Man and His Work (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1936), pp. 127–28]

What a remarkable statement under such circumstances!

My heart goes out to those who were cold and hungry that winter. I am sure there was much of grumbling and criticism, and understandably so. But how marvelous when a man looked beyond the winter and spoke as a prophet, under the power of the Holy Spirit, of better days to come.

Those days have come. Last year more people visited Temple Square in Salt Lake City than visited Yellowstone Park. This hasbecome the great highway of the nations. Kings and emperors and the noble and wise of the earth constantly visit us here.

Brigham Young went on to say on that occasion:
It is our duty to preach the gospel, gather Israel, pay our tithing, and build temples. The worst fear that I have about this people is that they will get rich in this country, forget God and his people, wax fat, and kick themselves out of the Church and go to hell. This people will stand mobbing, robbing, poverty and all manner of persecution, and be true. It my greater fear for them is that they cannot stand wealth; and yet they have to be tried with riches, for they will become the richest people on this earth. 
[Nibley,Brigham Young, p. 128]

To which I can hear many of you say, "Hasten the day."

I believe that day, spoken of by Brigham Young with a voice of prophecy that rose above the voices of defeat and criticism, has come. We have been blessed with the bounties of heaven and the bounties of earth. Oh, how magnificently and munificently we have been blessed! Now, with gratitude in our hearts, let us not dwell upon the few problems we have. Let us rather count our blessings and in a great spirit of gratitude, motivated by a great faith, go forth to build the kingdom of God in the earth.

Educational Challenges
Likewise, in our life on this campus, let us look for and cultivate the wonders of our opportunity, here to partake of learning, here to enjoy marvelous associations, here to develop great loyalties. It is so easy, under the pressure of the daily grind, to become negative and critical, to be shortsighted and go down in defeat. I have been touched by these words spoken by Benjamin Ide Wheeler, who at one time served as president of the University of California. Said he to a group of students:

This university shall be a family's glorious old mother, by whose hearth you shall love to sit down. Love her. It does a man good to love noble things, to attach his life to noble allegiances. It is a good thing to love the Church, it is a good thing to love the State. It is a good thing to love one's home, it is a good thing to be loyal to one's father and mother. And, after the same sort, it is good to be loyal to the university, which stands in life for the purest things and the cleanest, loftiest ideals. Cheer for her; it will do your lungs good. Love her; it will do your heart and life good.

In your associations one with another, build and strengthen one another. "No man is an island; no man stands alone." We so need help and encouragement and strength, one from another.

On one occasion when the Savior was walking among a crowd, a woman who had been long sick touched his garment. He perceived that strength had gone out of him. The strength that was his had strengthened her. So it may be with each of us. Let me urge you to desist from making cutting remarks one to another. Rather, cultivate the art of complimenting, of strengthening, of encouraging. What wonders we can accomplish when others have faith in us. No leader can long succeed in any society without the confidence of the people. It is so with us in our daily associations. Said the Lord to Peter, "Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren" (Luke 22:31–32). Declared Paul, "We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak." And then he adds, "and not to please ourselves" (Romans 15:1).

It is a responsibility divinely laid upon us to bear one another's burdens, to strengthen one another, to encourage one another, to lift one another, to look for the good in one another, and to emphasize that good. There is not a student in this assembly who cannot be depressed on the one hand, or lifted on the other, by the remarks of his associates.

I was impressed with a Sydney Harris column that I clipped from the Deseret News some years ago. Said this eminent writer:

Sir Walter Scott was a trouble to all his teachers and so was Lord Byron. Thomas Edison, as everyone knows, was considered a dullard in school. Pestalozzi, who later became Italy's foremost educator, was regarded as wild and foolish by his school authorities.
Oliver Goldsmith was considered almost an imbecile. The Duke of Wellington failed in many of his classes. Among famous writers, Burns, Balzac, Boccaccio, and Dumas made poor academic records. Flaubert, who went on to become France's most impeccable writer, found it extremely difficult to learn to read. Thomas Aquinas, who had the finest scholastic mind of all Catholic thinkers, was actually dubbed "the dumb ox" at school. Linnaeus and Volta did badly in their studies. Newton was last in his class. Sheridan, the English playwright, wasn't able to stay in one school more than a year.

All of this seems to say to me that each of these men, every one of whom later become great, might have done much better in his studies had he received less of criticism and more of encouragement.
Two students of this University came to see me awhile ago. Six months earlier they had been married. They had declared their love one for another. They had pledged their loyalty one to another for time and eternity. Now, the young man came first. He was disillusioned. He was bitter. He was heartbroken. His wife, he said, did this and did that—simple little things of small consequence, such as leaving the dishes undone when she left for school in the morning. And then came his wife, a beautiful girl of great talent. She spoke of her husband's faults. He was stingy. He did not pick up his clothes. He was careless. Each had his or her faults. Every one of those faults was easily correctable. The problem lay in the fact that there was a stronger inclination to emphasize the faults than there was to talk of the virtues. With a little discipline, each could have changed. With a little desire, each could have spoken with a different tone. But neither was willing. They had permitted a negative attitude to destroy the sweetest, richest association of life. They had thrown away with careless and sour words the hopes and dreams of eternity. With criticism and shouting, they had violated the sacred promises that might have taken them on to exaltation.

My dear young friends, don't partake of the spirit of our times. Look for the good and build on it. Don't be a "pickle sucker." There is so much of the sweet and the decent and the good to build on.

You are partakers of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The gospel means "good news." The message of the Lord is one of hope and salvation. The voice of the Lord is a voice of glad tidings. The work of the Lord is a work of glorious and certain reward. I do not suggest that you simply put on rose-colored glasses to make the world look rosy. I ask, rather, that you look above and beyond the negative, the critical, the cynical, the doubtful, to the positive. I carry with me a statement that I took from an article published some years ago on Commander William Robert Anderson, the man who took the submarine Nautilus under the North Pole from the waters of the Pacific to the waters of the Atlantic. In his wallet he carried a tattered card with these words: "I believe I am always divinely guided. I believe I will always take the right road. I believe God will always make a way where there is no way" (quoted in Look, 20 April 1971, p. 48).
Said the Lord in a dark and troubled hour to those he loved, "Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid" (John 14:27). May the Lord bless you, each of you, with faith, with affection, with hope, with charity, I ask humbly in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Glenn Beck- a wolf in sheep's clothing- March 2010


Also from March 2010- another response to a friend who is also a Glenn fan

I fully understand what Glenn is saying regarding “charity vs. forced distribution of wealth”.  I understand the point.  I just don’t agree with it.

Have I watched the Glenn Beck show?  Yes, once…. Yesterday… for 20 minutes.  And I am REALLY glad I did because he said this:  “Go ask your friends ‘what if I am right’?”  I loved that, because I have done this exercise and here is where it landed me:

If Glenn is right and Health Care Reform/Education Reform/Global Warming/Emigration Law change is all a change being made in secret combinations and secret societies to take our country towards socialism and then Marxism and Communism (which is exactly what he was preaching at that moment I watched) then MY life and the lives of my kids and future generations will all be much different than what we have known in the past.  I have roughly 45- 50 mortal years left on this earth and IF he is right I suspect that the wealth and opportunities that have been available to me in the past will diminish. 

If Glenn is wrong and Jesus speaks His mind on the issue on Judgement Day and says something to the effect of “the poor were cared for, whether by charity or their government, it matters not to me, the result is the same”, where will this leave Glenn and those who tried to reject this plan?   My fear is that He will say “Did you learn nothing from what I taught you?  The Nephite communities were destroyed over and over again because of their pride.”  (Read 3 Nephi 6- it spoke very loudly to me this week.  Especially verses 10-13)

"The Constitution Hanging on a Thread and the Elders of the Church will save it/"

You are referring to the White Horse Prophecy.  In January 2010 the First Presidency stated that this account can not be substantiated and it is NOT church doctrine.  I got this directly from the Church website Newsroom. (This whole issue is highly alarming to me.  Are there Elders in the Church who think that they have been called to do this?  Does this mean that they are preparing for a revolution?  Am I going to see a news storyabout an Elder’s Quorum in some ward who is headed to the White House to take over?  Is this where this is headed?)

Church Statement on "White Horse Prophecy" and Political Neutrality
Posted By Lyman Kirkland
Two weeks ago The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued a statement regarding the so-called "White Horse prophecy" in response to news inquires regarding comments made by an Idaho politician. The matter has received additional coverage in the news media of late and so we reiterate that statement here: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is politically neutral and does not endorse or promote any candidate, party or platform. Accordingly, we hope that the campaign practices of political candidates would not suggest that their candidacy is supported by or connected to the church."The so-called 'White Horse Prophecy' is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not  embraced as Church doctrine."


[quoting friend]   I always wondered how the scriptures concerning the last day about "neighbor against neighbor, family member against family member (not a dirrect quote) would come to pass.  But I am now beginning to see how it can happen.” 

On this I agree.  In fact, if I have ANY concern or discomfort in all that is going on politically it is MY fear that there are some who are seeking to divide the righteous.  If I may be frank.  Glenn Beck was able to put me in “Satan’s Camp” in less than 20 minutes on his show today, simply because I don’t agree with him that we are headed for Communism.  I refer again to 3 Nephi 6.  It is the dividing of the righteous that will ruin this country.  I can speak with confidence when I tell you that there are MANY righteous and VERY good people (lds and non) who are not joining the Tea Party movement.  It is MY concern that this is where the danger lies.  It’s an extreme radicalism and it’s dangerous.

[quoting friend]  "You are an intelligent person, and I just want you to get your facts straight.  Where you are getting your information.?  You refuse you watch FOX network  -- the most watched network on TV. (There must be a reason for that.) " 

Oh… there are so many things I could say here.  But I will not.  I will simply refer back to what was written above.  I get my information from the news sources I stated above, scripture study, pondering and prayer.

[quoting friend]  "The pilgrims or the pioneers of this country would never have made it if they would not have carried their own load.  An able bodyied person could not have passed their responsibilities on for someone else in the wagon train or on the ship, while they sat around doing nothing, and have them all reap the same benefits.  Everyone is expected to carry on their own load.  Is life fair?" 

 I know.  And it is freaking me out that I heard him [Glenn Beck] say it and now you are quoting  it.  And in rebuttal I could offer this.  As preparation for our Pioneer Trek  this June I have read four histories and journals in the last month of the handcart pioneers.  Sure, one could say they carried their own load.  Or… you could consider this.  The Perpetual Emigration Fund.  Can I just rehash how it worked?  Saints who had ARRIVED in the Salt Lake Valley contributed to a Perpetual Emigration Fund whereby Saints in England, Denmark and other European Countries could have their ship passage, train passage and handcart paid for.  Upon arriving in the valley the Saint was to return what ever funds they received to the Perpetual Emigration Fund.  It worked for many.  One may call this a subsidy or a distribution of wealth?  In 1880 $337,000 of the outstanding debt was forgiven to those who John Taylor deemed were too poor to ever be able to pay it back.  In 1887 just before it was dissolved there were over 30,000 saints who had not repaid this fund.  So, did they really come on their own?  Hmmmm… or was there some help from those who were asked to contribute to the fund.

Today we have the Perpetual Education Fund.  In theory it works exactly the same.  (I know… voluntary, not forced… I get that.  But that point holds no value to me.)

Furthermore, do we not as a basic tenet of this gospel believe that ALL that we have… ALL THAT WE HAVE…  we have because it has been given to us?  

So does he (Glenn), do you, really believe they did it all on their own?

[quote from friend] "We want FREEDOM!  We do not want the government telling us what we can and cannot do -  and that is exactly what is happening." 

Ok, I know you don’t really mean this, because I don’t think I have to argue the reason we have laws  in order to live together in a society.  

[quote from friend] "We worried about 'the Russians coming.'  The Russians were communists, and the US was so worried about communism that we had 'bomb' drills in school as often as we had fire drills.Do you know what marxism or communism is?  That is where Obama and his Czars (who have to answer to no one) are taking us." 

This is one of those areas that your life experience is going to affect you.  The fear of those bomb drills must have been terrifying.  I am sure that it has left an impression upon your generation that is not upon mine.  

And this brings me to my final reason why I feel that I have found the right answer for me.  I have no fear- partially because I didn’t have the bomb scares in the 50s.  But mostly because I believe that my prophet would tell me… he would tell me at General Conference (where I intent to listen closely) if this were a REAL fear for our country.  He WOULD NOT tell me thru a man named Glenn Beck on a Cable News Channel.  This is not how the Lord works.

Until I am given a reason from my PROPHET to fear that we are headed towards communism I will refer to the lessons to be learned in the scriptures.  That lesson is that despite the things in our society that go on around me that are evil and wrong and seek to destroy the peace of the righteous, if I remain strong and steadfast in my faith and testimony… I have no reason to fear.

If I may quote Glenn Beck  “What if I am right?”